Can't say I'm that surprised. Most of you have been put off from meeting me for whatever reason. [Cunning seems at ease, curiously watching the two of them.] Madoka and Yu, right? Nice to meet you.
I could say the same. ... I came because I wanted to know what kind of person you really care, Cunning. Not the rumors or hearsay. You all deserve that much, from us.
Hey, I get it. The game's been a lot to tackle hasn't it? I don't think any of us expected things to go as hard as they have. Four bodies two weeks in a row? It's a bloodbath. When we agreed to let this happen, this wasn't what we had in mind. [A shake of the head.]
You guys have a handle on things though? It's not too hectic, is it?
Hectic... well, that might be one word for it. [ Mild as ever. ] There has been ... more death than I think anyone was prepared for.
[ He glances at Madoka when she asks her question, and ... remains quiet. There's no judgment on his face when he looks up at Cunning. Actually, there's a sort of thoughtfulness, but he'll let the god answer for himself. ]
Managing is better than some people. [No comment about how much death there is though because yeah, you guys went hard. But Cunning's not interested in lying either, so.]
I am. When Ruin proposed the idea, I backed her up on it. The caveat that you'd get to come back in the end was to soften the blow.
Yeah, that's possible. Ambition's got her own way of doing things, but when you leave this place you could walk away without memories of the game if you really wanted.
Why do you think that idea exists? Some people will want to remember and some will want to run away from this place as fast as possible. [But there's a pause.] When'd she tell you that? Did she tell anybody else that?
And what're you even asking? If I'd remember this place, or...?
I spoke to her during an audience, and she explained how she saw the game to me.
[ quiet for a moment, considering them both. ]
We're all going to have to make that choice. And I'll want to remember, too. [ softly, without reproach, to Madoka. Cunning just gets another inscrutably thoughtful look. ]
Sure. If you were in our position, would you want to remember everything? Or would you want to forget?
What does that part matter? I'm playing a different game than you guys, so to forget what happened seems stupid to me. If you forget, can you really say you've grown stronger?
[Exactly, but Cunning doesn't do much beyond an incline of his head.] There's a reason "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" is a popular phrase and something I think about a lot.
[But hm...how to explain....] I'm in it for the long game. It's a numbers game, but in the end it's going to be able being the god that people value most. It doesn't matter if you have a winning personality or you're nice and make friends or whatever. What matters are the results and what will get done. Look at politics. People making a bunch of promises, but how many times have people failed to live up to those promises after they get what they want?
So I'm playing as if I've already won. Getting deals in place, making sure people know exactly what I'm after...[Shrug.] I've got nothing to hide.
But I can't help but agree with Madoka. Forging connections is part of politics, too. To be the god that everyone values most... wouldn't it help to win their hearts as well as their minds?
Wouldn't it help if people actually bothered trying to think for themselves instead of avoiding someone with a name like mine? [Still casual, still contrary.] It's hard to sway anybody when people aren't approaching, and I'm not about to go chasing you guys myself.
Even now, you're only here because of Ambition, aren't you?
[ Madoka winces a bit at that, but nods. ] I wouldn't have switched alignments, otherwise.
... But how are your names chosen? I know you're more than just one thing - but don't they represent something important about you...? In which case, I don't think it's your name that pushed people away. It's more like... The other names were more appealing.
Because that's a lot better. [He shakes his head.] You realize it's all in connotation? Love could be obsession. Sincerity could be saccharine. Merriment could be frivolous. It's still taking things at face value even if they can mean the same thing.
[...there's a sigh though.] Look. You're doing more than most people and I appreciate that. I think. But I'm not sure you're gonna like what you'll hear.
I think a lot of their worlds are a little unrealistic in the long run, and I'm not confident they'll be able to fix it when things fall apart. [First and foremost.] ...when you hear the words "fairness" and "balance", what do you think of first?
I think that's a good way of looking at it. [This is to Madoka and he seems a little surprised by that.] Justice though...it's a tricky word. Isn't executing a murderer theoretically justice? Even though it's still murder?
That's why they're different. I don't think doing the same thing to the murderer is justice, even if it would be balanced. And it's hard to decide what justice is - whether it's something like jail, or execution...
[ honestly talk like this is a little over her head but she's doing her best. ]
Concepts like fairness and justice are likely too subjective to define even in a discussion with just three people. We'll all have our own vision of what those words mean. ... that may be true of balance, too.
And now we've come to exactly why we're playing this game. Congratulations. [All of the gods want something, but they all have a vision of balance that's too subjective.]
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It's overdue that I came to see you, Cunning. Sorry it's taken me so long. [ with an oh so slight smile. ]
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Can't say I'm that surprised. Most of you have been put off from meeting me for whatever reason. [Cunning seems at ease, curiously watching the two of them.] Madoka and Yu, right? Nice to meet you.
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Um, I shouldn't make excuses.
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I could say the same. ... I came because I wanted to know what kind of person you really care, Cunning. Not the rumors or hearsay. You all deserve that much, from us.
So, it's nice to finally meet you.
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You guys have a handle on things though? It's not too hectic, is it?
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[ debatable. ]
Were you one of the ones who voted in favor of this kind of contest...?
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[ He glances at Madoka when she asks her question, and ... remains quiet. There's no judgment on his face when he looks up at Cunning. Actually, there's a sort of thoughtfulness, but he'll let the god answer for himself. ]
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I am. When Ruin proposed the idea, I backed her up on it. The caveat that you'd get to come back in the end was to soften the blow.
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Thank you for answering. We really appreciate that caveat.
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Then he'll look at Cunning and say, without real inflection: ]
Ambition said she could "fix it." Fix everyone, including our memories of dying.
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[ thoughtfully ] She has a very interesting way of seeing the world. What would you do, Cunning? If you had the choice.
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And what're you even asking? If I'd remember this place, or...?
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[ even though she just said she herself wants to remember. ]
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[ quiet for a moment, considering them both. ]
We're all going to have to make that choice. And I'll want to remember, too. [ softly, without reproach, to Madoka. Cunning just gets another inscrutably thoughtful look. ]
Sure. If you were in our position, would you want to remember everything? Or would you want to forget?
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What does that part matter? I'm playing a different game than you guys, so to forget what happened seems stupid to me. If you forget, can you really say you've grown stronger?
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[ That's basically what trauma is, right? ]
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[ but Cunning will actually get a tiny smile. ]
Seems that we think alike, when it comes to this.
[ still. something Cunning said struck him, and he'll think on it a moment. ]
"Playing a different game" ... [ he sure is. ] Will you tell us about it? How you've decided to play.
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[But hm...how to explain....] I'm in it for the long game. It's a numbers game, but in the end it's going to be able being the god that people value most. It doesn't matter if you have a winning personality or you're nice and make friends or whatever. What matters are the results and what will get done. Look at politics. People making a bunch of promises, but how many times have people failed to live up to those promises after they get what they want?
So I'm playing as if I've already won. Getting deals in place, making sure people know exactly what I'm after...[Shrug.] I've got nothing to hide.
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But getting along with people is important, too. That's a valuable part of showing where your values are.
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But I can't help but agree with Madoka. Forging connections is part of politics, too. To be the god that everyone values most... wouldn't it help to win their hearts as well as their minds?
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Even now, you're only here because of Ambition, aren't you?
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... But how are your names chosen? I know you're more than just one thing - but don't they represent something important about you...? In which case, I don't think it's your name that pushed people away. It's more like... The other names were more appealing.
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... Ambition is why I decided to visit you today, with Madoka. But I'm here because I wanted to learn who you are.
[ no more and no less. ]
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[...there's a sigh though.] Look. You're doing more than most people and I appreciate that. I think. But I'm not sure you're gonna like what you'll hear.
[Not if that's the kind of reasoning they have.]
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Yu will glance at Madoka, then look squarely at Cunning. ]
Yeah. Try us.
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I guess the first thing I'd think of would be justice. [ they should all go hand in hand, right? ... in an ideal world. ]
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[ honestly talk like this is a little over her head but she's doing her best. ]
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Concepts like fairness and justice are likely too subjective to define even in a discussion with just three people. We'll all have our own vision of what those words mean. ... that may be true of balance, too.
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You're both open-minded. I can appreciate that.
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In the end, the decision being determined like this seems kind of... Like it's being left up to chance.